
Just when I am giving credit to the folks in Waldo for taking a proactive stance on crime, namely the Waldo Rapist, some nimrod tries to play Charlie Bronson. This self appointed vigilante, and yes Virginia, THE GUY IS A VIGILANTE, chases a random black man who he figured fit the description. Never mind that the black guy is in a car, no need to be bothered with shit like height and weight. Our hero chases/stalks his prey, from I'm guessing the Waldo area, across the state line in to Kansas, the Dot no less. He follows his target to his home, and apparently sits there long enough for the hunted to become the hunter. Dude comes out of his house with a gun, allegedly, and allegedly shoots at our hero. Lets forget for a minute that it turns out that the guy is not the rapist according to the cops. No need to worry about minor details like innocence or guilt. And this lynch mob mentality extends beyond some random knuckle head who decided to play street cop.
You need look no further than the facebook page entitled,
Lets Find This Prick is on Facebook.
I'll admit, it's a catchy title, and an understandable sentiment. The facebook page was a good idea, now it's in the running for it's own reality special, When good ideas go Bad!!!
Here are a few gems from the Wall of the page.
Travis Sanchez This mother fucker needs to be lit on fire then while he is screaming in pain, needs to be shot in the back of the fucking head. LOW LIFE PIECE OF SHIT.
Nice! It's good to see folks are keeping things in perspective and productive.Michael Muller his face bothers me... just wanna stab him in his neck.
Not to be outdoneMaria N Smith it wasnt him sorry guys. but the guy we were concerned about that was doing the shooting has been caught. so.... one more scum bag off the streets..... yay as for the rapist, if your on here, you better watch it. people are tired of you shit. you are going down one way or another!!!!
and againRussell Taylor I'M PRETTY SURE I WOULDN'T CALL THE COPS IF I SAW HIS MUG IN PERSON!!!
And finally this gem
Caren Klebenstone Smith He better pray the KCMO Police find him before someone else does! If you do see him, be sure to drag him on your property....justifiable homicide.
The thing these people have either overlooked, or ignored, just seeing someone who looks like a composite sketch, does not make that person the perp. There is a very real danger that the wrong guy could get shot by one of these genius types who are posting this shit.
As if that wasn't enough, the KCK chapter of the Guardian Angels are trying to get in on the act via the same facebook page. They have had zero effect on the East Side and in KCK. If they get involved in Waldo it will only create a carnival atmosphere.

I'm sure they will all show up in one little tiny car that does wheelies and has a OOOgah horn.
And yes that is actually them in the photo.
And the hits keep coming. But you can go to the link and read them for yourself. This facebook mess has more rubs to it , than a group of fat guys in an elevator. The thing that bothers me the most, isn't that some clown is following random people, who vaguely fit a composite sketch, from within the confines of a car, in the dark, that may or may not fit a sketchy description of a car, that may or may not have been involved........whew! Do you see where that run on sentence was headed?
3,000 members plus, 2 moderators, and not a single person has called these people out. There are however lots of thumbs ups, and comments of the same ilk.
Instead of calmer voices prevailing, rather than having a little respect for the serious nature of what the victims have been through., Never that, we have a group 3000 strong, condoning what is tantamount to a lynch mob. As each comment sinks further into a mob mentality, not one person has addressed them. Suggesting that someone kill a guy who happens to resemble the physical description, then drag him into their yard, so they can get away with it, is a level of fucked uppedness that defies all reason. I still want to believe calmer heads will prevail, and hope whoever is moderating that facebook page gets their shit together before somebody ends up killing an innocent man, or winds up getting a Full Hood Monty Beat Down for following random black dudes to places folks from Waldo shouldn't be going. So here's a few tips and advice for the people who think Falling Down was a documentary.
1. You can't, I repeat can't, shoot a random black guy just for being fat, bald , black , and on your block. My postman is fat, bald, and black, so stay out of my neighborhood with that bullshit. This guy gets my mail to me between 9 and 10 A.M., like clockwork. Anybody fucks that up, and we are gonna have issues. You also can't stab someone in the neck because you don't like his face. For starters it might be the wrong person.
2. If you do see a guy who fits the description, and you do shoot him, dragging him into your yard won't keep you from getting a murder beef. It's like the old myth that if you ask a guy during a drug deal if he is a cop, and he says no, then turns out to be a cop, it's entrapment. Again, and I really can't stress this enough, you cant shoot a guy because you think he Might be The Guy. If you catch him prying open windows or jimmying doors, blast away. Otherwise cool your jets.
3. Self appointed trackers, bounty hunters, and Bruce Willis wannabees, you can't just start running around tailing every blue car that has a bald headed black guy behind the wheel. Take a license number, get a description, call 911. Tough talk of stabbing folks in the neck because you don't like his face is one thing. Taking your milquetoast ass in to the heart of KCK in pursuit of some guy who is from that area, will result in what we saw tonight, or worse. And by worse I don't mean that you might get killed or put in traction. By worse I mean that one of you hot heads will end up killing an innocent person.
4. Let the police do their job. There are more detectives involved in this case than most metro squad murder investigations. A dozen or more detectives do not need some nimrod to muddy up an investigation by playing vigilante. This isn't a real life version of Grand theft auto, or some Facebook Mafia wars rpg. It's real life, and 6 hours of handgun training, and watching a couple of NCIS marathons, does not fucking Columbo make. It just makes you a dick head totally out of your element. As the guy in the KCK incident found out, "Your a long way from Starbucks homie".
Last and most importantly, the mentality that has taken over a once well intentioned grass roots effort, is disrespectful to the 5 victims of this creep. The facebook page has sunk to the level of an internet chat room. Macabre jokes about stabbing a person based on how they look, or dragging bodies into your yard, do not resemble a group of concerned citizens, so much as a scene from Blazing Saddles, minus the humor. The focus should be on bringing a community together to stop a predator, not trying to one up one another on how to kill someone, or blow their beans and franks into vapor. The whole thing is reminiscent of sophomore boys puffing up out back of the school, in order to impress one another.
To the folks in Waldo who are taking proactive steps, absent of a mob mentality and junior high false bravado, keep up the good work. You should be pissed off, and you should be doing what you can to help catch this creep. As reasonable people, I'm certain you understand the difference between justice and a lynch mob.
To those of you who are whipping each other into a frenzy via Facebook, cracking jokes about what you would do if you saw the guy, try having a little respect for the 5 women who deserve some justice and peace of mind. Justice and peace of mind that won't be attained through some moron chasing random men through the streets of Kansas City. Or a mob mentality reminiscent of the bad old days, when a rope and a mob of white folks was a substitute for justice. If people really cared about the victims, it would serve them well to act like rational concerned human beings, rather than a torch carrying mob from an old Frankenstein flick.
How exactly is it "vigilantism" to follow a man who meets the description of the suspect while on the phone with police? He did nothing but follow the other car, he didn't attempt to stop or apprehend him in any way.
ReplyDeleteNice of you to ignore the main body of the post and the face book comments. And how do you know what interaction he had? Do you think there might be a reason the guy came out with a gun? When the guy went in the house, the Vigilante could have taken down the address, drove a couple of blocks away and waited for the police. He played cop, he had the wrong guy, thats a vigilante in my book. People can't just start tracking and harassing every black guy in a blue car. People need to get some perspective.
ReplyDeleteIt was only a matter of time before something like this happened, and I'm surprised and relieved it wasn't worse. We have been talking about the comments via Twitter for a few days, but I for one am scared off by the vitriolic chatter on the FB page. Given the level of craziness and violence evident, I wouldn't post there with my real name.
ReplyDeleteAnyone who knows about the history of vigilantism in this country can recognize the signs. I know most of these people have good intentions but a mob mentality can lead to tragic mistakes and have long-lasting consequences. The police are going to catch this guy, let's not get in the way.
Damn right, MM. It sounds like our guy won't be making the same mistake again. I would have done exactly the same thing as the guy he followed--I saw enough shit growing up to know that someone who follows you for that long isn't trying to tell you that your fuel door is open.
ReplyDeleteStabbing someone in the neck is not that easy, probably none of those tough talking d-bags on facebook could pull it off even if they are the ones being raped.I almost feel bad the shooter missed.
ReplyDeleteMost of those tough talkers would wet their pants if they actually thought they were face to face with the perp. They are just awfully brave hidden behind their computer screens. Like "door warriors" without a door, eh?
ReplyDeleteI've been scanning some of these Facebook groups. The ones that are open to the public are pretty abhorred, I agree. I've refused to join them for that reason. However, there is one "information group" that is closed to the public and it remains sensible. There is an officer that updates on there and reminds people to keep their heads. (Just an FYI.)
ReplyDeleteI'm also annoyed by how much the inane "machismo" is out of control on that board and men on there telling women to "GET A GUN- NOW!" As if that would be useful when the woman is woken from her sleep.
ReplyDeleteThis mentality has very little to do with encouraging women to be alert, smart and safe. It's another excuse for some men to sit around vent their racism, and talk about their own choose in weaponry telling eachother which gun would be bigger and better to 'blow this guy's head off.' That does not make me feel safe.
This guy was real lucky he wasn't hurt. Anybody been to 9th & Quindaro? Not the right place for whitey to be fucking around in at night.
ReplyDeleteso a guy followed a guy while on the phone with police.. wrong guy or not, the guy has the right to come out of their house shooting at people parked in the street? come on MM.. what's a larger crime here? stalking someone? or shooting bullets out into the street at someone that isn't even on your property.. you are a joke...
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ReplyDeleteIf a black guy followed someone to their house in Waldo, how do you think that would turn out? I don't think you will find a single sentence in my post that says the guy was right to shoot at this moron. That said, I'll ask again, if a random black guy followed someone across the state line, in to Waldo, then parked out front of their house, what would happen? And if the black guy got shot, would you be on here making a retarded non argument? Of course you wouldn't. Thanks for playing , Sport.
Like most people with half a brain you would call the authorities. You think people are just gonna start firing weapons into the streets of Waldo? Well like the guy before me said, this isn't 9th & Quindaro, so probably not. Of course keeping the 12 gauge on the front door or even walking into your yard with it isn't a crime. Shouldn't the guy have called the cops and said someone was following him? You are spinning this story of something that didn't happen in Waldo as if people of Waldo are out shooting people. That isn't what happened. All of your racist "what ifs" just feeds your racist appetite.
ReplyDeleteOkay Sport, I knew you were going to pull the race baiter card. Now I'm going to call the bull shitter card, then Im done with you. Read the comments included in my post. Pay special attention to the one about shooting someone who looks like the guy and then drag them in your yard. do I think everyone in Waldo is snapping at the bit to bag their first black guy? Of course not, but you are being a total tool to ignore that there is an element of that attitude. Go to the KCPD website, the Chief has called this idiot out as a vigilante. My post was about a particular section of people who are of the shoot first ask questions later group. It doesn't matter if the guy who was followed was a drug dealer, a thug, or maybe, just maybe, he was a scared black guy who had the poor judgement to drive down wornall road after dark. Maybe just maybe, he was having visions of gun toting white guys running up in his house where he had children. I write less than flattering shit, about retards of all races, so your "racist " claims lack substance, much like your shotgun toting attitude. Because it's perfectly reasonable to stand in your front yard with one. idiot.
ReplyDeleteI'm all with you on these retards posting this garbage on facebook. It's pathetic and only hurting the cause. And I know you make fun of everyone b/c I visit your blog daily. Must be an "idiot" for coming here. I just ask, since are a big voice in the community, why you would waste all your effort bashing a stupid facebook group with a 1,538 word entry, and only devote 5% of it to actual justice or for the poor women of this crime. Just seems like a waste of your ability with this blog and other resourses to do good rather than stirring a rasism pot even further. that is all.. good day MM
ReplyDeleteDid you not read MM's post yesterday? It was the first piece I have seen that talked about the victims. The FB page has over 3,000 members so it makes sense that they are a voice in the Waldo rape saga. Just my 2 cents. I think MM is great even when he I disagree with him.
ReplyDeleteYeah it was half as long as this one. Just seems the actual crime is getting outshined to me. I love reading areticles on this site. I guess I hate facebook more than MM commenting on it. Even when he does call me an idiot and 'sport'.
ReplyDeleteLet me tell you how the police respond around 9th and Quindaro, if it is any thing like around my house which is just a few blocks away. We call the police and it could take them any where from 35 min to 3 hours. That's just how things work here in the dot. So I'm sorry if some one followed me for that long then had the nerve to park in front of my house. Personaly I would feel very threatened. Now I wouldn't take pot shots at a person. If I had family in the home that I felt I had to protect-walking to the car that was following me gun in hand and ask them what they want-that would happen.
ReplyDeleteWith every thing thats been being said about the rapist, if I was a black man I would be staying out of Waldo. This is turning in to what they used to call a witch hunt. Every one gets so worked up then they work up all the people around them, and no one is useing any common sense or brains.
These women aren't going to be the only innocent hurt.
If someone followed me across town to my house, I'd seriously consider pulling a gun.... And if I thought my life was threatened? I'd probably pull the trigger. Given the stalking idiot wasn't shot, I'm giving this man the benefit of the doubt.
ReplyDeleteIMHO going on Facebook itself is a risk. This guy probably gets kicks reading about himself and could very well be watching the lists. I would think people should be a little concerned about what they post and who might be reading it.
ReplyDeleteOne lady on the "pr*ck" page was concerned that a kcstar online article mentioned single women's names, and that somehow the rapist would go after them as a result. Don't all these facebook ladies realize they're willingly giving out their own info-- often with photos? They assume the attacker has no computer, can't read. One even assumed he was homeless! We may all be a little surprised at who he is when he's caught.
ReplyDeleteI'm in the non-public information group, and it's very sensible and cautious and aware that the rapist could very well be going online to read these things (thus, it's not public!) I think these are angry times, in general - makes things scary - and this has given people an outlet, and they aren't thinking. Vigilante justice is an oxymoron.
ReplyDeleteMan followed says no shots were fired.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.kctv5.com/news/22679661/detail.html
Jen
ReplyDeleteI agree folks are scared, who can blame them. I also believe there is a smallish group within those groups who are just loving this shit, and are itching to pull a trigger. Frightening days indeed.
your so called vigilante followed the guy while on the phone with the police for over 45 minutes. during that time, the "idiot" kept the 911 operator updated on where they were. when asked where the police were and whether or not he should continue to pursuit, the operator stated it was his choice. If he truly was acting vigilante, wouldn't they tell him that this is a police matter that would be taken care of and to not continue following? But the operator continuously told the follower that it was his choice. the guy being followed came out with gun in hand. The police showed up after, which seems similar to what was stated in earlier post about the police showing up long after being called in that neighborhood. The "innocent" man that was followed, coming out with gun blazing? He wasn't released. Why? Because he had outstanding warrants. I agree that this "idiot" chasing someone put themself and others in harms way. I think that it's stepping over the line calling him a vigilante. No vigilante would call the police and stay on the line for that long. They wouldn't call the police until later. So they could fit into your group of "shoot first, question later". I agree that showing off your arsenal on FB accomplishes nothing. I believe it is sad that at least five women have to be raped for a city to come together. My thoughts and prayers go out to these women everyday. But I recommend that people find out the whole story before making judgement. Posting on here that the guy was an "idiot" accomplishes nothing. You might as well add pictures of your personal arsenal next to it.
ReplyDeleteHe has a couple of outstanding traffic warrants. That doesn't make him Dillinger. Ever forget to pay a ticket? when you follow the wrong guy, sit in front of his house, what is it then? No charges were filed for shooting at the guy, what does that tell you? Kind of hard to miss a car, so there is no credence to the claim, in fact the accussed denies it. But lets take the guy from waldos word over the guy from KCK. I don't have any weapons, except a sharp wit and a call it like I see it attitude.
ReplyDeleteWow...the Guardian Angels sure have gone down hill since the Big Boss Man left the ranks in 1994.
ReplyDeleteI really wish they would release the name of this guy and make him go in front of the camera and explain why he thinks it's ok to chase people around the city and act like a paranoid idiot. He should have been the one arrested and I'm not sure why he wasn't. As for the gunshots he claims to have heard, you know he is lying! And to top it off he doesn't even offer an apology to the man he falsely accused, but maintains that there is still the likelihood that the guy he chased down is the rapist. Finally, why is this dumbass chasing this guy into the worst neighborhood in KCK? Have some sense for crying out loud! For acting like that, he would get little sympathy from me or any of the other right-thinking people in this town if he did end up getting shot.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, for the record, I am a white guy so this has nothing to do with race. I call 'em like I see 'em and this motherfucker could probably use a little street justice for acting like a little weasly ADHD lunatic. To top it off, this poor guy had to get put in the can for some stupid traffic tickets, a form of local goverment-sponsored extortion if you ask me. To the falsely-accused, whoever you are, on behalf of white folks everywhere who know what's up, I'm very sorry that this happened to you. You ought to get a lawyer (a good one) and sue that guy for stalking. I may not know the streets very well living in OP and all, but on the streets they have a name for how that guy acted...it's called fucking up!
Does anybody know that guy's name?....the chaser?
ReplyDeleteNo cross words for the idiot that shoots first and asks questions later just because he was being followed? If the races were reversed, you'd be making jokes about how chickenshit stupid and gun-crazy the white guy was. At least the guy who was following the guy was trying to do a public good. Women are being brutally raped and if you ask me, people are too casual about it.
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ReplyDeleteDid you read what I wrote. Have you bothered to follow the news. The guy who was followed was taken to jail for unpaid traffic fines. Not for shooting a gun. He denies shooting at the guy. So we have the word of a person wrongly chased through the city, against the word of a guy who ended up with egg on his face, and didnt utter a single apology or word of regret for infringing on someones life. I'll take the traffic offenders word over the vigilante. Sorry, thanks for playing.
I'm a former Director of The Alliance of Guardian Angels,Inc. and I have to say where is Curtis Sliwa???? Ahh I know there's no media so therefor there's no Curtis. Yup I've been there done that and wore the t-shirt. If you do your research google cities that had an Angels chapter and ntice it's always the same textbook answer or excuse " The Leadership moved away and the chapter folded." Damn I've used that excuse hundreds of times. Ofcourse in every chapter you always have that one Rambo wannabe the one who well I served in the military but has no job and can't prove his dd214 or a martial arts inst. again for some reason no job and can't prove it. So what do you call them???? A 24/7 yup Curtis Sliwa's Guardian Angel Bitch. He wants you to drop whatever you're doing to meet his needs but he leaves you out to dry just like the cities he has the 24/7's develope. The battle plan sends out a press release, and storms your city. They claim to be role models for real life ????? Crock of shit Curtis has been arrested so many times it's not funny. His Sr. Director Assult on a police officer and DUI charge but they're role models.Yup those are the people I want patrolling my city. When Curtis can't get anymore tv time he always goes back to pick on the Gotti family.... Stay tuned for more.
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